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Jul 24, 2009 9:34 PM

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Drama took over halfway through the episode, what is Lawrence doing?
 
Jul 24, 2009 9:39 PM

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always wanted to see a bit more development in the first season nice to see something happening in the 2nd
 
Jul 24, 2009 10:31 PM

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I been thinking about some things, like what is Yoistu? is it a just a village? or is it like a land of the old gods? Cause they why they talk about it, it's almost mythical. Also is there more old gods other then Horo?
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Jul 24, 2009 10:58 PM

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Horo's cynicism was amusing to watch. It provided much needed entertainment.

But... I'm still in the dark when it comes to the business side of the anime. Any explanations? Unless it's already been given and I missed it?


crazy old women that was selling those nifty rocks was tipped off that the church was coming so she left. In their time magic and such was considered evil and the church would punish anyone practicing it by jail time or death. Since the old women was gone, the city had no one to sell those stones. For some reason the stones became a trend amongst the women in the city which caused the market value of the otherwise worthless stones to skyrocket. Now a few merchants are selling the stones and becoming semi-rich in the process. This is how the kid is making enough money to pay off Horo's debt

With all that said Lawrence is attempting to make triple the profit. He already knows the kid is gonna win the bet and pay up the money for Horo's "debt". Lawrence is also assuming Horo will reject the kid which would make Lawrence win in all the side betting that's going on around him (who will end up with Horo after the fact). Lawrence is also attempting to sell those stones while the price's are high. If all goes well he would make money from three difference sources and walk away with Horo. On the flip side if Horo leaves Lawrence he's still gonna walk away with the cash the kid paid and the cash he's gonna make from selling stones.

I suspect theres more going on inside Horo's head then just getting home. From the way she reacted "Mate with me this way I wont be alone" is enough to make me think this. Lawrence also seems to be noticing this as well. It's probably one of the many reasons why he doesn't just come out and say I love you.
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Jul 24, 2009 11:07 PM

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Loved this episode, cant wait for more!!!
 
Jul 25, 2009 12:08 AM

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wolves have periods?
 
Jul 25, 2009 12:36 AM

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Very nice episode :)) Can't wait for the next episode. The twist was surprising and cool at the same time :D

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Jul 25, 2009 1:30 AM

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The last third of this ep was intense. Horo flipping out was a highlight and did anyone notice how they made her eyes sort of stand out in the dark almost like they were glowing? Very nice effect.

Next ep does not look good...


 
Jul 25, 2009 2:25 AM

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Crimsonwill said:
Drama took over halfway through the episode, what is Lawrence doing?
Why the fuck do you blame Lawrence?

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Jul 25, 2009 3:14 AM

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Lawrence should have said something.And Horo should know lawrance's personality by now...

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Jul 25, 2009 4:12 AM

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Tamaki-san said:
Crimsonwill said:
Drama took over halfway through the episode, what is Lawrence doing?
Why the fuck do you blame Lawrence?


Because he's an idiot for walking out in the end. Yes, Horo stepped way out of line with what she said, but she did realize that herself. But instead of trying to patch things over he just walks away after she appologized, which is possibly the worst thing he could do.
And it was retarded to keep the news about her Village to himself in the first place.
 
Jul 25, 2009 5:06 AM

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It's complicated. I thought he didn't want to tell her about the village because he wanted to be with her but instead, he went on with the "deal" and told her that he was going to drop her somewhere near. I'm not sure I understand what he's trying to do. Either he's in denial or he really can't come to love Holo because of the wolf and human obstacle between them. Either way, he shouldn't have hidden it from Holo because her mind was focused on returning back home all the time, now that she adapted herself not end up with Lawrence and learned about Yitsu, what's going to happen to her I wonder.
 
Jul 25, 2009 5:23 AM

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can't wait for the next episode...


i didn't like the preview, damn...
 
Jul 25, 2009 5:49 AM

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It's complicated. I thought he didn't want to tell her about the village because he wanted to be with her but instead, he went on with the "deal" and told her that he was going to drop her somewhere near. I'm not sure I understand what he's trying to do. Either he's in denial or he really can't come to love Holo because of the wolf and human obstacle between them. Either way, he shouldn't have hidden it from Holo because her mind was focused on returning back home all the time, now that she adapted herself not end up with Lawrence and learned about Yitsu, what's going to happen to her I wonder.


Not to mention the fact that Lawrence is an abstract thinker.

It would be logical for him to say, "Well, there have been reports that the village doesn't exist, but maybe your giant supernatural wolf pack is still in the area."

Horo is not a very abstract thinker, particularly not when she's emotional.

I would have handled the situation very differently if I were Lawrence, but then again I would have tried sleeping in Horo's bed during the first season if I had been Lawrence.

Lawrence is not a typical testosterone hero. If he were, he would have done the "childish" thing and ripped the contract in half.

If I were faced with that contract, I would have said, "But she's got that special Churchy prayer magic. 1000 silver is nowhere near enough. Take a month to go get me a special Churchy artifact."

And then in less than a month I would leave town...

As Horo mentioned, Lawrence was only willing to accept the contract because the other merchants were watching him and he didn't want to act like a lovesick boy in front of his grown-up manly friends.
 
Jul 25, 2009 6:09 AM

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Lawrence, you "dropping the ball" mother fucker, why are you dropping the ball. I was looking at multiple opportunities in which he could have comforted Horo. And this episode showed two sides of Horo that I'm not really familiar with. She showed extreme anxiousness and excitement at Lawrence's gesture of finding out about her town, while also displaying that whatever it was in at the end of an episode. She has always shown that moderate demeanor that comes with living for a damn long time.
 
Jul 25, 2009 6:17 AM

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I must admit that the emotional involvement of some people in this thread is disturbing to say the least lol.
 
Jul 25, 2009 6:27 AM

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Defiance said:
I must admit that the emotional involvement of some people in this thread is disturbing to say the least lol.


That's because my emotions were flowing so strong that I couldn't help but involve in such topic my friend.
 
Jul 25, 2009 6:34 AM

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this episode showed two sides of Horo that I'm not really familiar with. She showed extreme anxiousness and excitement at Lawrence's gesture of finding out about her town, while also displaying that whatever it was in at the end of an episode. She has always shown that moderate demeanor that comes with living for a damn long time.

I think it is, as Lawrence put it, a sensitive topic for Horo. This is probably the first time that she has committed so much of her feeling into a relationship with a human, and grown to depend on him for companionship and support. It's understandable for her to feel more vulnerable, and less her usual confident self.

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wolves have periods?

Biologically speaking, yes. But for giant supernatural wolves, maybe once every 600 years?

 
Jul 25, 2009 7:06 AM

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Well, i can say i did press stop before the preview (never watch them..) And even so i am sure profit wise the next ep will make him filthy rich no matter whats going to happen.

But the reaction didn't come from nowhere, she can not tell if he hides something but if he is lying (big difference), lawrence made certain he never lied to her. He just never mentioned that little detail (which he knew even in Season 1). Why didn't he tell her? Maybe because he was not sure what to think of that rumor. Also he is not a child, as a Merchant he can hide his intentions perfectly.

Her anxiousness comes from the fact that she is immortal, and he is not. Should make obvious where the "will you mate with me" line came from. What she's gonna do once he's dead? Now that she knows what its like she doesn't want to be alone. And given that her homeland might actually be destroyed she has the potential for being the last wolf goddess around.

Aside that, Its good to see the series is moving towards a more substantial conclusion than what series 1 had.. | And definitely more emotional shock and awe

Season 2 is so far awesome ;)
 
Jul 25, 2009 9:10 AM

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Holy monkey crap! This was an INTENSE episode... Seeing how Horo flipped out and went insane was interesting but, I sort of thought that Amarty needs to be BURNED WITH FIRE >:)
 
Jul 25, 2009 11:23 AM

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neverless said:


^ lolwut ... that literally was a slap to me in the face

Oh man can't wait to see what happens next!



The thought that went through my head was "wouldn't be the first time with a crazy nutjob screaming wierd shit at me"

Great episode though. A lot more intense than the previous season. Gives it more of a "gotta see the next one" feel.
 
Jul 25, 2009 12:29 PM

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omg !The preview makes me so sad, and can't believe Horo actually snapped! She normally seems so calm....
 
Jul 25, 2009 4:41 PM
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Lawrence needs to use Geass on Horo, and fast.
lmao

That was an intense episode, but wow did I love it.
 
Jul 25, 2009 5:36 PM

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Spice and wolf can now be found under the serious business section of MAL
 
Jul 25, 2009 8:20 PM

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I knew Horo would be sad after hearing abt her home , what i didnt expect was that she would go all berserk on Lawrence. And she put all those accusations on him. And she cried ;_;. and wtf was lawrence doing why didnt he say anything..........
It was a sad but awesome ep. 10/10!
I want to see what happens next I cant wait ONE WHOLE WEEK!!

can anyone explain what was Amati blabbering abt when he said that Horo was mistreated at the start of the ep, when and why would she say that?

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WHATS WRONG WITH BONG PEOPLE HOLY!
racism i say!
*shaku stomps off angrily*

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BONG PEOPLE...lol
 
Jul 25, 2009 10:12 PM

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Their fallout was pretty intense, I really found it interesting.
Now it's Lawrence's turn to struggle with collecting the necessary amount, deal with his "issue" with Horo and beat Amarti, with a little help from-

This arc should go on for 2 more episodes I think.

PS: Can deities really mate with humans? :P
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Jul 25, 2009 11:05 PM

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Good episode. In horo's state, nothing he said probably could have reached her anyway.

I don't see him accepting the contract as a bad thing really. If you think about it, horo would have done the same thing in his situation because it is the smart thing to do (theoretically easy money). She was fine with it before the potential news about her homeland came up.

Seriously though, unless the letter said something more concrete, would anyone really tell her that there is a rumor that some bear destroyed her homeland? It very well could just be some random legend.

I don't really blame the kid either. Unless he has some side game going (which doesnt seem likely), he sees horo as basically an indentured servent whom is being mistreated. he doesn't know their relationship goes beyond that and it is the other way around if anything. He also seems to like her which isn't surprising given that she is attractive and putting on her best "good girl act" for him. I do wonder how horo is going to explain the ears/tail though in her new plan as she can't very well go around in a hat all of the time.
 
Jul 25, 2009 11:29 PM

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Heart-wrenching episode there. He should have took her on her offer to mate though.
 
Jul 25, 2009 11:59 PM

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Heart-wrenching episode there. He should have took her on her offer to mate though.


Hardly, in that situation all that would have done is make the situation WAY worse. Besides, the translation is not clear whether that was a rhetorical question, aka "Would you even *consider* to mate with me". Given the flow of her dialog i'd say it was not a question to mate with her, but a question whether he would be at all considering it, and given that it was a rhetorical question (she was more speaking to herself than to him) she probably didn't want an answer to that in that moment anyway.

But yes, heart-wrenching indeed.. hardly any anime ever got me so stumped at the end of a single ep, and at ep 3 at that.
 
Jul 26, 2009 11:27 AM

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Whoa, not liking where this is heading.

I never watch previews, so I really wonder how this will turn out. I can't see it having a 'bad ending' type of conclusion since we're too early in the anime and it would just make the anime lose it's plot; so I am expecting a good ending for this event. We'll just see how long it takes them to give it to us, and how much we'll have to suffer before that happens >:

Great episode.
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Jul 26, 2009 12:35 PM

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PS: Can deities really mate with humans? :P


They can in Greek/Roman mythology. Hercules was the son of Zues and a regular human woman. =P
 
Jul 26, 2009 12:52 PM
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All the hate for Amarti?

He is a FANTASTIC antagonist, especially compared to some of those highly forgettable guys last season. A memorable character and a genuine challenge to Lawrence. Yes we all hate him but he's made to be disliked and he has certainly helped the huge improvement this season has going so far
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Jul 26, 2009 2:53 PM

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Eh, calling him a fantastic antagonist even though he's not even the source of the current problems between Lawrence and Horo might be exaggerating. All he did was oppose Lawrence by telling him he will 'free' Horo. Suck for the HxL fans, but the timing was bad, and to release their hate they blame the little blondie.

Unless he will be a character throughout the entire season, he'll be most likely forgotten as much as the previous season's 'bad guys'.
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Jul 26, 2009 3:02 PM

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Eh, calling him a fantastic antagonist even though he's not even the source of the current problems between Lawrence and Horo might be exaggerating. All he did was oppose Lawrence by telling him he will 'free' Horo. Suck for the HxL fans, but the timing was bad, and to release their hate they blame the little blondie.

Unless he will be a character throughout the entire season, he'll be most likely forgotten as much as the previous season's 'bad guys'.


They actually have the girl that was playing the "bad guy" from the first season in the OP. I wonder if Amarti and her will meet and hook up :P.
 
Jul 27, 2009 1:39 AM

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Dam Lawrence has some good self control.
 
Jul 27, 2009 2:50 AM

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OMG THIS EPISODE O____O INTENSE INDEED.

I was not expecting that sudden change of attitude/mood in the last 5 minutes! Gosh my heart was racing the whole time lkgjlkjd and the previewwwww /dies I saw that preview before, it was in the preview of the series, but seeing it after this episode makes me even more angry ;______;

I don't like Amati DX
 
Jul 27, 2009 6:21 AM

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Really intense at the end. I'm a little bit confused about Yoitsu, did it burn down? A town? But isn't Horo from a forest or something? Actually, a lot of things in Spice and Wolf are confusing for me in general...

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Lawrence needs to use Geass on Horo, and fast.

LOL.


 
Jul 27, 2009 8:20 PM

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The last third of this ep was intense. Horo flipping out was a highlight and did anyone notice how they made her eyes sort of stand out in the dark almost like they were glowing? Very nice effect.
I did, and was immediately impressed by it. That was one of the more effective and subtle effects I've seen used in anime lately. I got the sense at that moment that Lawrence was in very real danger and served as a reminder that he was completely alone in that room with a force of nature.
 
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.... holy SH#@

 
Jul 27, 2009 9:42 PM

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JAJAJAJAJA

My Lovely Horo <//3
Why It was very sweet to see a crazyish Horo at the same time it is almost heart breaking! Lot more drama this season.

I don't know if I can wait for the next episode. Horo was a bit out of it in that end convo though can't blame her. Though still she might have over reacted a bit. Then again maybe it was the wolf part of her telling her to survive? Poor Lawrence.
 
Jul 28, 2009 12:44 AM

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holy crap, that atmosphere totally caught me off guard. and I'm despising the preview already.
 
Jul 28, 2009 1:19 AM

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Amazing performance from Horo's seiyuu on this ep. Tons of /a/ posts and long threads everywhere about this one. I acquired and read the light-novel from that point forward because the emotional cliffhanger was so powerful.

Seriously great storytelling. It feels like their entire relationship from season 1 ep 1 has come into play, and all the bumps in the road came back and reared their heads all at once. I'll finish this arc and see a little beyond it before bumping the show to a 10, but it's right up there.
 
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What an amazing episode! *FTGT is happy and positively supercharged*

I think that really "unhinged" some jaws. XD

Hilarious, romantic, thrilling, sad... it had everything. Thats the very reason why I am an Anime-Fan in the first place.

Since I have read this part of the story from the novel translation I was eager to see it animated. And I have to say that I am more than pleased with the result. :D
I really enjoyed a lot of scenes, i.e.:


Three cheers for the director!

But although I am pleased, deep down I wish they would not have followed the novel so eagerly. Some slight changes would have been nice. As some people already pointed out, seeing Lawrence remain silent at such an important moment was really painful to watch. Personally I hoped for something like:

Lawrence tearing apart his clothes and screaming "YES, LETS MAKE WOLFBABIES", similar to this scene in "Anchorman". *jokingly*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmvbcMLxdrU

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wolves have periods?

I LOLed :D


Time for some thoughts about the characters (no spoilers included. I just used the tags to organize the post. If you know the anime you can safely read on!)



By rewatching the episode I noticed this scene again. How did Horo manage to come out unharmed?



Due to the intense finish, people tend to forget how many nice moments we had throughout the 3rd episode. Two of my favorite scenes:


- Sorry for the "novel post", but I couldnt stop - :P

PS: This is my 666th post at MAL. Coincidence or fate?
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Jul 28, 2009 2:33 PM

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Can we burn the 2 people who gave this episode a 2 and who probably gave the last 2 episodes a 1? =P
 
Jul 28, 2009 4:58 PM

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For those who considered FTGT's post tl;dr, here's a summary:

FTGT said:
Regarding Horos behaviour:


You're very welcome!

(PS: Agree with FTGT's point, too bad it'll only be useful to feel better (common feeling when you work on a post of that size) and the only people who'd probably read it would already be aware of the arguments.
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Jul 29, 2009 12:56 AM

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Oh snap, what a twist D:
 
Jul 29, 2009 1:45 AM

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*Umph!* That preview was gut punch .. ahh...
 
Jul 29, 2009 6:15 AM

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Hakoria said:
For those who considered FTGT's post tl;dr, here's a summary:

FTGT said:
Regarding Horos behaviour:

You're very welcome!
(PS: Agree with FTGT's point, too bad it'll only be useful to feel better (common feeling when you work on a post of that size) and the only people who'd probably read it would already be aware of the arguments.

Actually I wanted to say a little bit more than that, but thanks for trying to abstract my post. ;)

The fact that I know at least one person (you) read that (way too long) post is quite fine. As you have guessed, it was actually more for myself in order to "handle" my thoughts about the episode. I just needed to get the stuff out of my head...
 
Jul 29, 2009 8:04 AM

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Are all those spoiler thoughts based on your novel knowledge or just anime? I want to read them but I'm afraid of being spoiled.
 
Jul 29, 2009 8:34 AM

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Now Lawrence knows about the Holo/Horo's feelings... This will take a big turn...
Holo/Horo is alone on the world... She want a child :s She want resurrect the race...

What happens now?
 
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